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Mobile Fidelity (Iago, have tissues handy to clean up your mess)

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Post  Seamaster on Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:37 pm

And I will be content to sit on the sidelines and watch you contemplate. BAG
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Post  Iago on Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:32 am

Do not bother getting up. I am quite content with the 83SE. I could always improve on it, of course -- but I could improve on my speakers as well, and I feel no urge whatsoever to do so. No Model Sevens in my future, I am afraid . . .
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Post  Seamaster on Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:16 am

I didn't say anything! I was just following the lead from your previous two posts.

As a complete aside, do you have any experience with Merlin speakers?
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Post  Iago on Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:58 pm

Nope. I am not sure if I have even heard of them before.
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Post  Seamaster on Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:40 pm

If you're interested, here's their website: http://merlinmusic.com/
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Post  Iago on Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:46 pm

I took a look and they are certainly interesting. Like all speakers, they are the product of making design decisions about tradeoffs. Two-way speakers have their advantages in eliminating the crossover network in the critical lower midrange area, but at the tradeoff that one driver has a harder time accurately handling that frequency range (Vandersteens, with the exception of the low-end 1C are all three way -- four way if you count the powered subs in their upper models.) There are arguments to be made for both approaches. (There are even supposedly full-range speakers that use a single 3"driver, and I have not heard them, but I am rather skeptical.) A good two-way can be very musical. especially at lower levels. The reviews seemed very positive. Have you listened to them?
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Post  Seamaster on Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:53 am

I have not listened to them, but I have heard positive things about them from many people. I was considering giving them a listen. However, they are a touch expensive for a two-way design (their monitors, for example, start at $4000 per pair; the towers are much more). There are quite a few options available at that price.
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Post  Iago on Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:31 pm

Vanderseen 1Cs are two-way floorstanders that retail for around $1000. Yes, I am biased.


Aperion and Anthony Gallo immediately spring to mind as affordable alternatives. Of course, it all comes down to preference. If you ever get a chance to listen to the Merlins, let me know what you think.
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Post  Seamaster on Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:35 pm

I thought the 1Cs weren't up to par with the rest of Vandersteen's lineup?

I wouldn't mind a pair of 3a speakers or quatros, but I am not sure that my amp is powerful enough to drive them effectively.
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Post  Iago on Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:52 pm

Nothing wrong with the 1Cs. They are just a less expensive two-way design:

http://www.vandersteen.com/1cfimagazine.pdf

http://www.vandersteen.com/1cplaybackreview.pdf

I just mentioned them since they are two-ways like the Merlins. From a price/performance perspective, the 2Ce Signature IIs are three ways at a bit over $2000, and are one of the best values in the Vandersteen line. Those were the speakers that I originally intended to buy -- until Eve opened the door to a bigger expenditure.

Like I said, I am clearly biased. I was thinking of other speakers that offered something similar to the Merlins at a bit lower price. (A pair of Gallo Reference 3.1s would be ducky as well.) But since I do not know if we have any local Merlin dealers, I would like to hear your impressions if you get a chance to audition them.
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Post  Seamaster on Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:43 am

I will have to do some research to find out who carries Merlins. The only contact number is for the country distributor, so it's possible there are no in-town dealers who carry the brand. I have never seen them before.

My favourite dealer does carry Vandersteen, though, so that is an easy audition and purchase. I have listened to the 3as and was impressed with what I heard. The only issue is that they were driven with a much more powerful amp than what I am running. According to the fellow in the store, the Vandersteens need a bit of juice to make them really sing. Would you agree?
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Post  Iago on Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:43 pm

They are definitely low efficiency. Even the new Model 7s are only rated at 83db. I am running the Quatros with 150 "real" watts of power (the Krell will double to 300 watts into 4 ohms, so there are no inflated measurements there!) They definitely require more juice than my old NHTs did.

Speaking of which, NHT has reformed itself as an internet-direct seller a la Aperion. Their revamped website is now live and it looks like they are shipping now. I have yet to see any reviews of their new line, but they have always offered great performance for the price, even when they were being resold.

http://www.nhthifi.com/


And speaking of the Vandersteen 7s, there are two newer reviews up:

http://www.vandersteen.com/ultra_vandersteen.pdf

http://www.vandersteen.com/asmodel7review2010.pdf

. . . just in case you have $45,000 to drop . . .
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Post  Seamaster on Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:38 pm

Let me check my wallet.

My little Moon integrated only outputs 50 watts into 8 ohms and 100 watts into 4 ohms. It is well designed, but it has its limitations. Perhaps I need to step it up if I'm looking to upgrade speakers.
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Post  Iago on Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:59 pm

If your Moon will double down into half the load, it is still a high-current design. But the raw wattage may still be a bit light for some speakers. Time and phase accurate speakers with 1st order crossovers tend to be inefficient -- Thiels have the same drawback. With your current (no pun intended) amp, I would shoot for 90db sensitivity or higher. You have plenty of good choices that fit the bill.

Just checked Aperion's page, and they have some new models. Hmmm . . .

http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/NEW-Verus-Grand-Tower-Speaker,267,89,802.aspx

http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/NEW-Verus-Grand-Bookshelf-Speaker,268,89,804.aspx
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Post  Seamaster on Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:31 pm

Funny that you should mention a sensitivity of 90 db. That is the sensitivity of the Monitor Audios I currently have hooked up.

Thanks for the suggestions. I have also been looking at Harbeths.
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Post  Iago on Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:45 am

I have always had a thing for the "British sound," though I have never listened to Harbeths. I still love my Missions in my mini-system.

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Post  Seamaster on Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:10 am

Interesting read.

I will have to do some listening. I want to make a true upgrade to my stereo system over what I am currently running (a pair of RS6s).

In all likelihood, I will spring for a pair of Vandersteens or Harbeths. My dealer carries both, and carries most of the other hardware I'm running, so I should be able to find a good match. He also allows in-home trials, so I have nothing to lose and can make my decision based on what works best in my home environment.


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Post  Iago on Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:09 pm

In-home trials are one of the biggest benefits of a local retailer. (Though both Aperion and NHT offer an in-home trial period, and they will pick up the shipping back if you do not like the speakers.) No one on earth can tell you precisely how speakers will sound until you get them into your own room.
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