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Post  Iago on Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:37 pm

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Post  Seamaster on Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:39 pm

Of course, I'm looking forward to it. I'm not sure how I feel about Dave Batista taking on a henchman role (feels a bit gimmicky like some of the Roger Moore films), but I'll refrain from passing judgment until I see the movie.

I'm also glad to see Craig holding his own at 46, although he is starting to age. I wonder how many more films he has in him? I recall reading that he had signed to do five Bond films?

The Aston Martin will be a treat, not because it's the most beautiful, but because it's so exclusive. Only 10 will be made, at least one of which will be used for the film. It's the Aston Martin DB10, but I'm sure you already knew that.

Other than Mendes and much of the old cast, as well as the new Bond girls, I really haven't heard much. Aside from the title, that is. I'm curious to see how SPECTRE is represented in this outing.
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Post  Iago on Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:06 am

Craig is contracted for one more after this, so it was five total.  But he has already indicated that he would like to get out of the contract and that the studio might be willing to let him go.  His words were something to the effect that they would love to wipe their asses with it.  He tried renegotiating for more money after the smash success of Skyfall and they did not go for it; there was a lot of bad blood.  He is indeed aging (though he is still a year younger than me!) but five films would bring him to 50, which is a good end point.

Some of the leaked Sony emails showed that studio president Amy Pascal was recommending Idris Elba.  I would take him in a heartbeat, despite the fact that Rush Limbaugh and the DCINBers would have collective heart attacks, but he is already 42 and would be at least 45 by the time that he started.  

Curious how the DB10 DNA will trickle into the next generation Astons.  They may only be making 10 of that specific model, but it will still form the foundation of the next generation of cars.

If I had no previous exposure to Bautista, just looking at his pictures would tend to make me agree.  However, he was FANTASTIC in Guardians of the Galaxy.  In fact, he ended up being my favorite character in the movie, which is saying quite a bit, given how well they pulled off Groot and Rocket, and how charming Chris Pratt was.  So I am more apt to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Regarding SPECTRE, well, who knows.  Hopefully they will do something creative with it and not break the tone of the previous Craig films.  Now that EON has the rights, I could see them morphing Quantum into SPECTRE.  I also think that the Christoph Waltz casting is a deliberate red herring and he will not be playing Blofeld, at least not in an expected manner.  Waltz himself has said that the reality of Blofeld is more "interesting."
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Post  Seamaster on Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:24 am

Skyfall introduced us to a black Moneypenny and I thought that worked well. Why not try a black Bond? I agree that the bigger issue is Elba's age. I think he will be too old before he gets a shot at the role.

The DB10 may very well be unique only in design at this point. The producers want a stick shift and that probably means a V8, as Aston doesn't do a stick with their V12s. Furthermore, I don't think Aston and Mercedes have kicked off their parternership yet, so I don't think we'll see any Mercedes in the DB10. From a technological standpoint, I wouldn't be surprised if it's standard Aston (not that that's a bad thing); the allure will be in the rarity of the model.

I agree that Batista is more than just a wrestler turned action-movie star. My comment was more to do with his presence -- he is insanely huge and larger than life, and when you put that kind of person in a henchman role, it can change the tone of the film. But I can see it working too.

Care to explain more around your comment of morphing Quantum with Spectre? Are you referring to the jumpy camera or rushed plot?
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Post  Iago on Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:29 am

I was referring to the organizations, not the movies. It may be easy to forget, but the group headed by Mathieu Amalric was actually named Quantum. Eon completely dropped that organization for Skyfall, but since it is already established in the Craig-era canon, I could see them turning it into SPECTRE in some way or another (perhaps as a front for the latter, or simply a branch.)

I know what you meant by Bautista's size. I just think that his apparent acting skills will hopefully overcome the novelty of that. He really gave the character of Drax a lot of depth -- to be fair, the character was very well-written, but without a deft touch by the actor, it still would have been Bane in Batman & Robin.

Did you perhaps intend to say, Aston doesn't do a stick with their V12s -- any more?

http://jalopnik.com/2012-aston-martin-v12-vantage-the-jalopnik-review-509373676
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Post  Seamaster on Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:51 am

Yes, I just meant that Aston do not offer a stick with a V12 in their current lineup. I suppose they could do something special for the DB10.

That is an interesting article, particularly how Okulski mentions that the Gallardo was designed with a ruler and the Aston a free-range design. It is a well-known fact that Aston designers stuck to the rule of thirds when designing their current lineup of cars, which is why they are so aesthetically pleasing. Free-range, perhaps, but bounded by the rule of thirds . . . . Maybe that can be chalked up to journalistic licence.

I recall the Quantum group and Mr. White connections that tie Casino to Quantum. I misread your post, thinking you were referring to the movie rather than the group. My mistake.

I haven't seen the other films that Batista has been in, but have heard that he acts consistently well. Perhaps not as charasmatic as Dwayne Johnson, but I think that a good thing for a Bond movie. The Rock just wouldn't feel right.
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Post  Iago on Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:47 am

No, I am with Travis on the design aspect. Following design ideas like the rule of thirds does not preclude a more open-looking design. The point is that the Gallardo does indeed look less natural and more mechanically "designed." The Vantage buries the principles under an organic look.

By the way, Jalop did its list of their 15 best-reviewed cars of 2014, and one Aston was on that list, and a surprising one: the V8 Vantage GT. That is their "low end" version with less options, which can be had in North America for a base price of $99,500. Funny how everything is relative, and that seems cheap. I would never spend 100k on a car of course, but when you follow sports cars like that it seems like a bargain. Same with the BMW I8, which was their best-reviewed car of the year (though if you follow the link to the actual review, you will see that Okulski cheated a bit to give it the extra points to beat the Porsche 928 Spider.) I do have to say that at that price point, I would probably get the BMW. On the other hand, a car that I gave serious consideration to purchasing for myself was on the list -- the Fiesta ST. I was going to dump my old Buick this year but put it off because of Sydney's medical bills, and the upcoming bills for putting in a full fence around our house. But that seems to be the most affordable fun-to-drive car out there. (Yes, I would get the Recaros!)

http://jalopnik.com/the-15-best-reviewed-cars-of-2014-1676049472

Of course, you probably saw this?

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1412_2016_cadillac_cts_v_first_look/

I still would not spend $70,000-$80,000 on a car, but dayum. Take one of my favorite current American cars, and make it damned near irresistible. . .


Are you saying that you have not seen Guardians of the Galaxy yet? It has minor flaws, but overall it is a wonderfully entertaining experience. We just watched it again last weekend -- Eve actually asked to see it a second time, and she rarely wants to watch a movie twice, especially in the span of a few months. I still give Captain America: The Winter Soldier a slight edge as an overall better film, but I admit that as a fan of Seventies conspiracy thrillers, I am the target audience for that film and may not be able to look at it objectively. I do think that it is arguably the best Marvel Studios picture to date. But Guardians is no slouch. While Rocket and Groot obviously are scene-stealers, the movie manages to make all five of the Guardians into interesting characters, each with their own arc. (Not bad for a comic-book movie, when you have not just one character experience growth, but five!) But I thought that Bautista as Drax actually succeeded in stealing the show even from Rocket & Groot. His deadpan delivery was perfect, especially for the character.

On the other hand, we may have already talked about Guardians but I forgot due to your extended absence. Me memory fades.


Have you followed the leaked emails from the Sony hack? A lot were related to SPECTRE and its script. I have avoided those like the plague. The movie may be a letdown -- it has a lot to live up to after Skyfall -- but I will give Eon a chance.
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Post  Seamaster on Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:21 pm

Perhaps I should have been more explicit about the Aston Martin design: They didn't just follow the rule of thirds, they actually measured it out to be exact thirds. I totally agree that the Aston is more rounded and the Gallardo (heck, any Lamborghini) is edgier (in every respect). I simply had to chuckle at the ruler comment, since the Aston actually was designed with a ruler, regardless of the perception given by the end product.

I had also thought about a Fiesta ST. I think the car would be a blast. I'd get it with the recaros and in tangerine red. I figure go all out with a car like that. I might still get one when it is time to retire my Speed 6. Of course, many of the other cars you provided review links to would be more luxurious, but the ST is so, so affordable.

Incidentally, the V8 Vantage isn't quite as cheap up here. The one I sat in last summer had a price tag of $140,000. It likely had some options over a base model, but that isn't cheap. Some of the difference in price can be chalked up to the sagging Canadian dollar, but part of it is simple market pricing. Suckage.

I have seen Guardians of the Galaxy, but none of the other films that Batista has starred in.

And I have been avoiding the leaks. I'd prefer to stay ignorant on the subject until the movie comes out and I have seen it. Incidentally, I hope whoever fits Craig this time around, actually fits him properly for a suit. Just a personal gripe I have with how his suits fit him in Skyfall.
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Post  Iago on Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:23 pm

Well, I think that we are talking cross-purposes regarding the Aston design.  Perhaps a better way for me to put it is that it is not so much an issue of whether it was designed by ruler measurements, as much as an issue of it looking like it was designed by ruler.  And I think that was the point Travis was making.  I also do not think that he meant rounded vs. angular, either.  However precise the measurements were for the Aston, it flows in a natural, organic fashion.  The Gallardo looks more mechanical and obviously "designed" by comparison.  "Organic" is a somewhat silly term to apply to a car, but it seems to capture what I am talking about better than "rounded" does.

The V8 Vantage GT that they reviewed is a pretty specific model and probably different than the one you sat it.  It has far more limited options -- it is the closest thing to a "stock" car that a hand-made company like Aston does.  The color options are very limited.  The regular V8 Vantage starts at $130,000; maybe that was what you were looking at?  If not, one shudders to think where THAT model starts up north!

As far as the Fiesta ST goes, down here the base pricing with Recaros and the full navigation MySync system is still a hair under $24,000, and that is just list pricing.  The dealer that we bought the Focus and the Fusion from have proven themselves to be very eager to sell us cars, so I am willing to bet that they would give me some money for my otherwise worthless Buick and whatever instant rebates that they can get their hands on.  I think I can probably pay closer to the $20,000 mark.  

You can get a base Focus ST for around the same list price, with 50-odd more horsepower, but I think that I still would go with the Fiesta despite a preference for larger vehicles.  The Focus ST suffers from more torque steer, and understeer in hard cornering.  Ford appears to have worked the kinks out with the Fiesta ST.  I remember when Road & Track did their "best performance cars" two years ago, the then-brand new ST ended up making it to #3 out of the fifteen cars that they tested -- a group that included two different Jaguars, a Ferrari, and many of the other usual suspects.  The thing that they enjoyed about it was that it was more fun to drive than many of the "real" sports cars that they tested.  And while it was obviously blown away by all of the other cars off the line and in the straights, it kept catching up in the cornering, and even passing the big dogs.  In terms of real-world driving enjoyment, that is probably worth more than the 0-60 times or the top speeds that would make you lose your licence.  

I still may do it, but I have to get through the other bills first right now!


Interesting that you mention the suits in Skyfall -- I guess that I was not paying attention to it.  The suit that he wore in Casino Royale (the one that Vesper gave him) looked great, as did the one that he wore at the end when he shot Mr. White.  I honestly cannot remember one bit of his wardrobe from Quantum of Solace.

I have only seen Bautista in Guardians and am basing my hopes for him in SPECTRE entirely on that film.  Depending on what kind of character he is playing, if he plays that same kind of low-key intensity, I am in.

This is not exactly a spoiler -- it is part of the official marketing campaign -- but this still gets me very excited for the movie.  Craig, Bautista, Christoph Waltz, SPECTRE (in some form) and this.  Dare we hope for a ski scene?



Craig has already had a few of the best fights in the series (the stairwell fight in Casino, the train top fight and neon-backlit fight in Skyfall); the absolute best foot chases Casino; and one of the best car chases (well, multi-platform chases) in Skyfall.  If all of SPECTRE is a disappointment, but it has a stellar ski chase, I will still die a happy man.

Though now that I think about it, his best fight overall may actually be the brief hand-to-hand knife fight in Quantum.  It is easy to dismiss all of the action scenes in that film due to the nasty shakey cam, but that one is well-choreographed and extremely violent -- it may be the most violent fight in the series.  Plus, it ends with the jarringly brutal moment at the end of Bond severing his opponents femoral artery and then calmly holding him down while he bleeds out.  That stands right up there with the (in)famous shooting of Strangways in Dr. No.
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Post  Seamaster on Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:27 pm

I'll need to revisit the article. It's possible they were reviewing the Vantage Club, which is indeed a more affordable version. I'm not a fan of the paint options for the club. If I were going to spend that kind of money, I think I'd go for the regular version and select a paint choice that I wanted.

Incidentally, the interior fits like a glove. And smells fantastic. The cockpit surrounds you with leather. Even the interior roof isn't cloth -- it is suede! And the seating position is just right: low and snug, but not so low that you need to imitate a contortionist to get in and out. It's damn near perfect.

Hands down, I would also get the Fiesta ST simply because is handles so well and because it has the right amount of horsepower for a front-wheel drive car that size (180 hp standard; 197 hp under a 20-second overboost). Straight-line performance isn't everything. That said, the Focus is a much more handsome car. I'd be looking at $29,000 to $30,000 for a loaded Fiesta ST up here, and that takes into account discounts. The Focus ST is closer to $35,000. For comparisons sake, a loaded VW GTI pushes the $40,000 mark (base starts around $27,000). That is why economy models are more popular in Canada. It's gets pricey as you move up in class size. Plus, our gasoline prices are higher, so it costs more to run the car. But, whatever, that is a reflection of simple economics. Not much that can be done about it (at a consumer level anyway).

I agree that Craig's outfits in Casino were fantastic. What is interesting is that he was fitted for Brioni suits and dinner wear in Casino. In Skyfall, it is all Tom Ford. Not that that really says much about fit -- that was likely down to the lead designer on the set, who would have chosen a cut to fit a certain way, then tailored accordingly. At any rate, Brioni has been a staple for Bonds suits for years; the Tom Ford thing is relatively new. Of course, both are excellent and the key is proper tailoring. I just think they went too trim in Skyfall. Suits aren't meant to fit that way, and Fleming always described Bond as a well-dressed man, who dressed functionally. He's supposed to look like a gentleman, not trendy.

Can't complain about his footwear choice or watches, though.

I'm not sure about a ski scene. I loved the ski scenes in all of the other Bonds, but for some reason, I'm not sure that it fits with Craig. I can't explain why. I don't expect I'd be put off by a ski scene, but I'm not nearly as excited by the prospect. I do, however, very much like the northern scene caught by that picture. Almost carries a Shelley-Frankenstein feel. That has me excited.
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Post  Iago on Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:58 am

Well, the Vantage Club may be the Canadian version of the GT.  I would have thought all of the North American versions would be the same, but why make things simple.  It is called the N430 in Europe.  And yes, it has very limited colour options, most of them with lipstick up front, which I do not like, either.  It also limits a few of the other luxury options.  No Bang & Olufson stereo, if that bothers you.  But the thought of picking up a brand-new Aston for $99,500 (down here, at least) is crazy.

Now mind you, Ford has promised a North American version of the Focus RS, with 300+ hp and probable all-wheel drive.  But it was a no-show at the Detroit Auto Show.  To be fair, Ford may not have wanted to spoil the reveal of the previously top-secret GT.  (Have you seen the pictures of that beast?  Holy crap!)  But with Recaros (if available) and the MySync/Nav system, that one will doubtless go over $30,000.  The Fiesta ST is nice and cheap and looks like ridiculously good fun. I love this quote from the Jalopnik review:


Because the Fiesta ST is so tiny and loud, it always manages to feel like it's going faster than it is. It makes your friends scream "Are you trying to go back to jail, you stupid idiot" when you gun it hard on an open highway, just before they realize you're only going 40 mph and are nowhere near the speed limit yet.


I will probably still pull the trigger on that one eventually.  Just not as soon as planned.


As far as Craig's suits go, keep in mind that of course the way that Bond was described by Fleming has generally little to do with how he is in the movies.  More so with Craig, but still not in line with Fleming.  On my last read through, I was impressed by how functional was not just Bond's wardrobe, but his eating habits as well.  No caviar in the books!  But I wonder if the problem in Skyfall was not due to poor measuring or tailoring, but due to the fact that he may have been measured early in preproduction before he had been working out too much.  Though on the other hand, I do not recall him being so well built in that one, and that may have been by design, since he needs to work his way back into the fold for the first part of the film.  But I have been thinking about doing a Craigathon with the three films so far; I may wait until closer to the release of SPECTRE, though I should probably do it while I am in the mood.

Ski scenes are my favorite part of the Bond films.  No coincidence that OHMSS is my favorite Bond film, and contains my favorite ski scene.  But I even enjoyed the ski scene at the beginning of A View to a Kill, at least up until the Beach Boys start playing.  (Mind you, I thought that was pretty funny when I was younger and saw the movie in the theatre, but I guess that tells you exactly what kind of age group the humor in the Roger Moore movies was targeted to.)

I really like the whole "slate" meme that Eon is doing.  Just keep giving us mysterious pictures of slates in exotic environments.  It is not like we do not already know what Craig looks like!
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Post  Seamaster on Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:44 pm

They can keep the Bang and Olufson. I consider that an upgrade.

The Ford GT reminds me of a cross between a McLaren F1 and a Lamborghini. Like the Focus RS, I imagine that one will also go for a little over $30,000!

I have considered that Craig might have been measured too early, but that doesn't really explain it. Custom suits should be made with enough material in the seams that they can accommodate adjustments of up to an inch to two inches. That's an whole size or two. If Craig packed on that kind of weight in that kind of time, he must have had some help in the form of special juice. Frankly, I think the designer simply wanted a trim, slim-fitting look and overdid it.

I watched all three Craig films back to back a few months ago. It was fun, even though the tailoring choices are more glaring doing in that way. Same with the haircut. It is a lot of fun seeing the characters develop (most apparent with Bond, obviously).
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Post  Iago on Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:35 am

The continuity in the development of Craig's character struck me as well on my last run-through. Despite the myriad flaws in Quantum of Solace, it really is necessary to watch before you get to Skyfall. Some of the criticisms that I read of the latter, especially in relation to character moments like how Bond reacts to the death of Severine, make perfect sense when seen in continuity with the previous films. Bond is "hardening" as he goes, and building a wall between himself and others to prevent being hurt. Curious if they continue that continuity with SPECTRE. Logically, by that film Bond should pretty much be more like the "classic" character from the older movies, ready to love-'em-and-leave-'em without much caring what happens as a result. But how much of all that was truly intentional, and how much of it just worked out that way is an unanswerable question. So we shall see.

Did you ever read the OHMSS book? Worth the $50? I have decided that if we ever go to Italy as we have often discussed, we will take a day and head across the Swiss border to take the cable car up to the "Piz Gloria" restaurant. The Bond museum there seems a bit cheesy, but just visiting the location and having our pictures taken there would be a definite bucket list item.

http://schilthorn.ch/en/Angebot/Schilthorn/1_VIEW%3Cbr%3EPiz_Gloria_2970_m_._9744_ft/360_deg_-Restaurant_Piz_Gloria
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Post  Seamaster on Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:22 pm

These new Bond films are certainly grittier than any of the classic Bonds, even From Russia with Love. I'm not sure we'll have a full return to the classic Bond, although you might be right. The ending to Skyfall could lead either way. Clearly, Bond was emotionally affected by M's departure, which suggests there could still be emotion there. Or perhaps that will be the final hardener. On the rooftop with Moneypenny, Bond still shows some sympathy, but back in the office with the new M, he is all business. Will be interesting.

Afraid your hyperlink didn't work for me, but I agree that a trip there would be cool.

The book is decent. For a fan, it has some interesting facts, such as an unexploited plot line for the film that didn't make the final cut and behind-the-scenes info around relationships and feuds amongst the cast and crew. Worth the $50? I don't regret spending the money, but $50 is likely still a bit steep. About 30% off would be just about right.
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Post  Iago on Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:52 am

Not really what I meant by "classic Bond." I was more narrowly referring to his more cavalier attitude towards women. But yes, even that may not fit the aesthetic of the current films, though they have certainly been doing everything that they can to create a character who would not want to form attachments.

I may have to just order that book. The price is indeed my hangup. I have had it on my Amazon wishlist for ages and keep checking it periodically in the vain hopes of a sale. I would also like to pick up the earlier book by the same author on The Living Daylights, but as I am much less fond of the film the price is even more prohibitive. On the other hand, I have often found that the quality of a specific film does not always have a direct bearing on how interesting a behind-the-scenes look at it may be. Some of my favorite special edition Blu-Rays/DVDs/LDs have been devoted to fairly mediocre films. For example, Synapse has recently released Blu-Rays of the Eighties horror films Curtains and Prom Night, and while both films are fairly mediocre, the special editions are anything but mediocre, and I loved the behind-the-scenes materials even more than the films themselves.

We have our first actual production still. No spoilers here, except perhaps for the vehicles in the background. But nothing really that you would not expect to see in the mountains of Austria!

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/james-bond-spectre-photo-daniel-craig-1201431937/

More interestingly, they posted the first behind-the-scenes video as well. Again, no real dangers of spoilers here; we certainly knew that there would be some sort of action scene set in Austria. You may or may not be able to glean the possibility that it will be a "multimedia" chase like the opening chase of Skyfall, due to the fact that you see Craig on foot doing some shooting, and there are snowmobiles in the background as well as the Land Rovers being driven. But that is pure guesswork as the video fortunately really does not give any indications of how any of it will be used.

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Post  Seamaster on Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:57 am

That looks cool. And Batista is absolutely huge! Looking forward to watching this in November.

I knew what you meant about Bond; I guess I was just looking at it from the perspective of his emotional state overall.

Yes, the book is pricey, and I think prohibitive for most casual fans. Because you like Bond and love OHMSS so much, I think you might be able to look past the price once you have the book, but I could be wrong. Too bad you can't find it at a local book store to thumb through and assess if you'd want or not.
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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

Post  Iago on Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:37 am

I like the beard on Bautista. Since he spent all of Guardians of the Galaxy shirtless, I hope that they keep him fully clothed in this one and do not feel the need to show off his musculature. His size alone will make him intimidating, even with his shirt on.

I watched the video again, and I suspect that Sam Mendes is going to fill the film with callbacks like he did for Skyfall. For instance, I love the quick shot of the cable car, but I doubt that there will be any action scene involving it. It is just a visual nod to Moonraker. That said, I will still be surprised if there is not some kind of ski sequence. That setting is too good of an opportunity to pass up, and since I pretend that the scene in The World is Not Enough never happened, we have not had a real ski scene since A View to a Kill. I just hope that they do it right, unlike the aforementioned non-scene.

I will just have to suck it up and order that book. More dog expenses coming up (I mentioned them in another thread) but I will have to squeeze it between them.
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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

Post  Seamaster on Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:42 am

Damn. That is such a beautiful car.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Batista shirtless. It might not be a long scene, but they have Craig go shirtless for a scene or two and I can see them doing the same with Batista.

I pretend that the entire World Is Not Enough never happened. Actually, to be fair, the set up piece of that movie isn't too bad. There were the makings of what could have been a decent Bond, then it went down the crapper.
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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

Post  Iago on Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:23 pm

TWINE starts out reasonably well, with that pre-credit sequence that goes on so long that you forget that it is still pre-credit.  It is the only one in the series which consists of a single story line comprising of multiple scenes and locations.  Where it fails is in one major area that plagues the rest of the film: really flat and dull action scenes.  Oh, the rest of the film has many other problems, but that one really stands out.  I was so happy that the film actually HAD a ski scene that I was willing to forgive much, but that whole paracopter thing was so poorly filmed and edited that it is literally one of the worst action scenes in the series.  As truly terrible as Die Another Day was, the opening hovercraft chase was at least tolerable (despite the surfing that it took to get there!)


The DB10 is so beautiful that it is tempting to say that it is a shame that it will never go into production, but reality must intrude: it is not like either one of us were ever going to own one anyway.


Not sure if you are avoiding the production blogs to avoid spoilers, but this second one does not tell us anything that we do not already know, but it does contain some tantalizing glimpses of shooting the film, and Mendes makes the interesting point that in this film, Bond will be the most experienced player -- M, Q, and Moneypenny are all relatively new at their jobs:




But to me, this is the most interesting thing of all.  They released a still of Bautista as Mr. Hinx, and while I cannot explain why, for some reason it makes me insanely excited about the film.  The hat, the beard, that jacket, the gun -- everything about it just looks indescribably right.  It looks like a still from classic Seventies eurothrillers.  It just screams "cool."



He also had this to say about the character:

"When I came over to meet Sam [Mendes], I only asked two questions," says the erstwhile Galaxy Guardian. "I asked him if Mr. Hinx was a badass. He said, 'Yes, he's a badass.' I said, 'Well, is Mr. Hinx intelligent?' He said, 'Very.' That's what I like about Mr. Hinx. He's very well-dressed and very well-mannered. I'm not just here to fight people. He has a sense of humour. He definitely knows what a metaphor is."
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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

Post  Seamaster on Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:02 am

I am trying to avoid spoilers, but you're right, that production blog doesn't give away anything. It is interesting that Bond is the most experienced in his job. That's not to dismiss the experience M brings to his job, of course. I like that they have a small backstory for the new M (Mallory) and that it involves real military service with the SAS.

Never say never when it comes to Astons. The DB10 isn't going to happen for us, but you just never know about other models!

Mr. Hinx sounds like a very cool, badass character that just gets his job done. I like his look, but is that beard fake? Or maybe just dyed?
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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

Post  Iago on Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:41 am

The 5 o'clock shadow along the side of his face is the same colour. Having only seen him bald and green, I honestly have no idea what colour his hair really is! As an aside, though -- what the hell gun is is holding in that picture?

Not my cup of tea, but I assume that you saw Aston's big supercar reveal?

http://jalopnik.com/the-aston-martin-vulcan-is-the-pinnacle-of-naturally-as-1689091187

Track only, of course, so it is not meant to be my cup of tea. But it is interesting that with all the other manufacturers out there going turbocharged and/or hybrid with their track monsters, Aston stuck with a naturally aspirated engine. Last hurrah for the old guard?

Speaking of hybrids, did you see the latest madness from Koenigsegg? It will supposedly reach its top speed of 248mph in under 20 seconds. . .

http://jalopnik.com/how-the-1-500-hp-koenigsegg-regera-hits-248-mph-without-1689181377


No, I do also like the fact that Mallory has his own background -- something that he showed in Skyfall, gaining Bond's respect. Which is interesting, because in the books Bond had the utmost respect for M, but that has not been visible in the movies very much, especially in the post Bernard Lee era. And even then, he got little out of Roger Moore. So it could be an interesting return. But I think that the point of the production blog was that there is going to be a bit of a reversal here; in the previous Craig films, he has been the one learning his ropes. Now that he is on more solid footing, the rest of the team will have to do the same. That will definitely change the dynamic in Bond's interactions with the rest of the team.

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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

Post  Seamaster on Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:17 pm

It's funny, because it's goatee that got me asking. It almost looks too thick and dark, particularly when compared with his stubble.

That gun might be the AF2011-A1 (http://www.gunsandammo.com/blogs/for-the-love-of-competition/double-barrel-pistol/).

I missed that Aston reveal, but I'm also with you. I want my cars street legal. I had, however, heard about the Koenigsegg madness. They have been mad from the get-go, just like Pagani.

It's funny that you mention respect. Because while Craig's Bond butted head's with Dench's M, I felt he did respect M. In retrospection, it actually bugs me quite a bit with Bronson's Bond, as the respect shown there is practically nil. I find myself liking the Bronson Bond films less and less.
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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

Post  Iago on Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:46 pm

I am with you on the Brosnan films. I will always love Goldeneye, but I pretty much consider it to be the only canonical Bond film from his era. The back-and-forth between Brosnan and Dench worked very well in that film, when she bluntly addresses his lack of respect for her methods and tells him not to think that she won't have the balls to send him to his death, if necessary. But they really did not pull off their interplay very well in the other films. And yes, I do agree that Craig's character was different with her. He respected her from the beginning, even when he disobeyed her. That is where you could have a falloff with a new M in Ffiennes, as Craig treated him contemptuously at first in Skyfall, but Ffiennes turned the tables by the end of the movie -- Craig's "With pleasure, M" was such a stellar close for that film.

But hell, I consider half of the entire Roger Moore era to be non-canon anyway! And I still watch all of the films, even the ones that I do not like, and yes, even Brosnan's worst. I decided that I had no interest in ever re-watching Moonraker or DAD after the last run-through, but I know full well that I will eventually renege. But I just pick and choose which movies that I want to accept as being canon. Kind of like Star Wars -- in that case, I seriously doubt that I will ever re-watch the prequel trilogy again. They simply do not exist in my book.

That looks like the gun. Not sure what real purpose that serves!


Something that we will never see in a Bond film (well, never say never) but have you followed the announcements on the 2016 CTS-V? Supercharged V8 this time, with 640hp and 630lb-ft of torque. Plus, it looks smashing. Even better, while it hardly sounds as good as an Aston, just watch the video on their web page to hear how lovely it sounds on its own:

http://www.cadillac.com/v-series/2016-cts-v-sedan.html
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Re: The never-ending Bond 24 thread

Post  Seamaster on Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:40 am

I used to like Tomorrow Never Dies. Sure, it was silly, but it was fun silly. I don't know if my taste has changed or if the film hasn't aged well, but I don't care for the film anymore. Yes, I will sit through the Bond films again. I'm not sure about Moonraker; that one might be relegated to the never or very rarely pile.

The close for Skyfall was great -- for the reasons you mentioned and because it was a cool nod to past Bonds, with Bond greeting Moneypenny, then entering through the soundproof door to get his next assignment from M.

Are you going to give the new Star Wars films a chance?

And speaking of spy films, have you checked out Kingsman? It is over the top at times, but I had a lot of fun with the movie. I recommend checking it out, if you have not already done so.

Purpose for that sidearm? It looks menacing, I guess.

I love the CTS-V, including the earlier iterations. Given that it's got a Vette engine as a powerplant, it's not surprising that it sounds so strong. Although it is an entirely different car, I actually quite like the ATS too, and that car is a little more affordable.
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